INTERVIEW: Rev. Mark Winder (OPC) & Rev. Donald Veitch (WCF-BCP-TFU)

AN REC/RES/SHREVEPORT STORY. Rev. Mark Winder (OPC Pastor) discusses numerous things. His entrance to the REC/RES via Emmanuel REC, Pipersville, his exposure to the Rev. Dr. Dale Krauthamel, Dr. Peter Toon, Mr. Ray Sutton and Mark’s entire time in Philadelphia. He then relocated to Shreveport, LA, for the new RES school called “Cranmer House.” Misrepresentations of fact were used to sell the school. Mark sold his home, gave up his business job (good wages) and move with wife and three children to Shreveport. The library was not what he had been sold (by Mr. Sutton). The students worked weekends at janitorial and lawn services atop—in addition to--working for the on-site pharmaceutical company. Pastor Winder tells of Mr. Sutton’s views and teachings on baptismal regeneration (head-for-heads and against the old REC’s “Declaration of Principles”), baptismal justification, the merit rosary beads, the bone-muncher-cruncher views of Jesus in the elements—same body as Jesus of Nazareth, prayers to saints, reservation of the elements from Holy Communion. As for the term “bone-muncher-cruncher,” we refer to Dr. Cranmer’s comments to Bishop Bonner in 1549: “Do you eat the ears, nose and eyes of Jesus…” Well, by resistless logic (someone was a “logic and philosophy major), if you eat ears, eyes, and the nose of Jesus, why not the legs, femur bones, toe nails and all? If one holds that view, accept the logic. The phrase is justified and follows Dr. Cranmer who was battling the ever-hostile Bonner later known as Bloody Bonner for his murderousness in the Marian genocide of 1553-1558. Back on topic. Mr. Sutton was also “selling” the theme that Reformed Episcopalians were not “Reformed” in theology, but that the word meant “Reforming” or “Reorganizing Episcopalians.” On our end, we have argued both and that the documentary record supports our view—arguing otherwise, contra: our thesis, is to drive suicidally into a brick of brute facts. For more on the Reformed Theology of the old Reformed Episcopal Seminary, see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZd-hxcZCcA&list=PLUDbB9El9rkqPUAm_gdYHgn2vRKChuONm .  The timeframe on this video is roughly 1999-2001ish when he left the Shreveport school, but the school folded. “Obey the Bishop” was thematic (expected from a Monarchialist Imperator like Mr. Sutton.) Pastor Winder retails one chilling and imperialist threat made to him by Mr. Sutton. Rev. God willing, we plan to explore more of the “theology” of the REC drifting into APA-waters with shifty-shifting theology. One account at the end is vintage for Mr. Sutton. This is the Theological Forensic Unit—these are their stories. PS…we also conducted this with the 9^th commandment in view and as if on the floor of an OPC Presbytery (where demanding and truthful speech and thinking is actively pursued). We want facts and facts only. You decide.