10 October 2015 A.D. Jerusalem speaks on GAFCON (dated 2 Jan 2008)
10 October 2015 A.D. Jerusalem speaks on GAFCON (dated 2 Jan 2008)
Wednesday, 2 January 2008
Jerusalem speaks on GAFCON
Editors. “Jerusalem speaks on GAFCON.” Thinking Anglicans. 2 Jan 2008. http://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/archives/002831.html.
Accessed 10 Oct 2015.
Wednesday, 2 January 2008
Updated Wednesday evening
Re: Global Anglican Future
Conference planned for the Holy Land in June 2008
The
Anglican Bishop in Jerusalem, Bishop Suheil Dawani, has expressed his concern
about the Global Anglican Future Conference planned for the Holy Land in June
this year.
“Regrettably,
I have not been consulted about this planned conference,” said Bishop Suheil.
“The first I learned of it was through a press release.
“I
am aware that the post-Christmas announcement that this conference is to be
held here has excited considerable interest around the Anglican Communion, and
has become the subject of online discussion. Yet we Anglicans who minister here
have been left out in the cold.
“I
also note that the Archbishop of Sydney, Dr Peter Jensen, who appears to be one
of the organisers, is encouraging clergy and lay people from his diocese to
attend the conference with him and his bishops. He speaks of the meeting taking
place because the Anglican Communion is, he says, ‘in disarray over fundamental
issues of the gospel and biblical authority’.
“I
am deeply troubled that this meeting, of which we had no prior knowledge, will
import inter-Anglican conflict into our diocese, which seeks to be a place of
welcome for all Anglicans.
“It
could also have serious consequences for our ongoing ministry of reconciliation
in this divided land. Indeed, it could further inflame tensions here. We who
minister here know only too well what happens when two sides cease talking to
each other. We do not want to see any further dividing walls!
“I
believe our Primate, Dr
Mouneer Hanna Anis,is also concerned about this event. His advice to
the organizers that this was not the right time or place for such a meeting was
ignored.”
“I
urge the organizers to reconsider this conference urgently.”
Update
Further reports on this:
Further reports on this:
Religious Intelligence
has this by George
Conger Warning over
Anglican conference. It includes this:
The
leadership team of GAFCON contacted
ReligiousIntelligence.Com to say that a letter was sent to Bishop Suheil Dawani
on December 24, two days prior to the press announcement. Two of the leadership
team, Archbishop Peter Akinola and Archbishop Peter Jensen, had already
reqested a meeting with him to discuss his concerns with him in the next two
weeks.
Episcopal News Service
has this by Matthew
Davies Jerusalem
bishop objects to conservative Anglicans’ planned Holy Land pilgrimage.
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I
have to admit concerns about some participants having such a volatile
conference in such a volatile place.
Especially
when some rush off to the pulpit to gloat about who is going to hell, and why
and how it is all their fault, and that it all weaves back to some chick called
Eve.
Can
you imagine what some of their "loving" bombshells of truth could
instigate if their "love" is picked up by the local media?
Plus,
I don't know why they want to have it in Jerusalem, it's not like their hearts
are in alignment. After all, Jerusalem has always been about peace, compassion,
mercy, a light of salvation to both gentile and Jew, an end of tyranny and
oppression.
Let
the boys squabble in the rubble, they can have the rocks but they don't have
Jerusalem's heart.
Posted
by: Cheryl
Va. Clough on Wednesday, 2 January 2008 at 7:19pm GMT
Could
anything be more foreign to the spirit of Anglicanism, or to the synodal
texture of churchhood, or to the Christian Gospel of reconciliation?
It
is true that Synods, which are a representative expression of the life of the
body of Christ, a time of mutual enrichment and mutual forgiveness, have been
used since ancient times as weapons in ecclesiastical civil war. One would
think that Bishops today would have learned something from the mistakes of
history.
And
to go on with this divisive activity in the tinder-box which is Israel today is
to show crass oblivion to contemporary history as well.
Posted
by: Joe
O'Leary on Wednesday, 2 January 2008 at 7:46pm GMT
Wow.
Bravo to Dawani for speaking up about our global Anglican differences and our
global call to reconciliation and dialogue across our Anglican hot button
controversies. How calming to find a bishop of Jerusalem who will not be baited
by waiving the bright red alarm flag of homosexuality around, so vigorously in
the conflict-weary Middle Eastern cultural air. To speak a calming word of
peace in this context may be emotionally loaded, difficult - hence all the more
needed. Many, many thanks.
Is
the realignment juggernaut already so completely bought and paid for by the
conservative wealthy USA funders, that Scaife plus Ahmanson plus others must
simply have their divisions, regardless? How arduously will such rich folks
pass through the eye of the needle in that ancient city?
Posted
by: drdanfee on Wednesday, 2 January 2008 at 8:01pm GMT
“And
to go on with this divisive activity in the tinder-box which is Israel today is
to show crass oblivion to contemporary history as well.”--Joe O'Leary
You
said it, Fr. Joe! These wacky Evos—with Jensen of Sydney leading the charge—are
becoming more than just an embarrassment. This conference of theirs could end
in tragedy.
Posted
by: Kurt on Wednesday, 2 January 2008 at 8:11pm GMT
The
desert has long been a place of retreat and contemplation - think of Jesus
being tempted - and later uin his ministry seeking a place apart from the
crowds - think of the early desert Fathers and Mothers.
I
suggest that this group assemble in Tel Aviv as their flights arrive, and then
be convoyed into the desert - and be dropped off with some tents and a few
dates and figs - maybe a locust or two - and a little water - just enough to
drink, no more. I suppose they should be given a chance at the airport to
change into suitable attire - purple is SUCH a hot color.
About
40 days should do the trick.
Posted
by: Cynthia Gilliatt on Wednesday, 2 January 2008 at 8:14pm GMT
Why
Jerusalem in the first place? My guess is that someone has conflated Dr Akinola's
hatred of Islam with the philo-zionist strain of American right-wing
Christianity, which sees Israel as America's leading ally and think that a
right-thinking Anglican body must demonstrate its support for Israel. It would
not occur to such people that the native Christians of Israel tend to be Arabs
distinctly lacking in enthusiasm for Zionism. In their histories, it is always
Muslims who drive Christians from their homes, never Jews.
This
could really turn into a shambles.
Posted
by: Andrew Brown on Wednesday, 2 January 2008 at 8:45pm GMT
But
it's been reported recently that Scaife is a proponent of "open"
marriage (as his second one heads towards oblivion due, once again, to his
infidelity). I'm still trying to understand how a twice-unfaithful multiple
divorcee can be taken as anything but the punchline to a very good joke as a
Self-Proclaimed Protector of Traditional Marriage(TM).
Posted
by: heh on Wednesday, 2 January 2008 at 8:54pm GMT
WHOOOPS!
Don't you hate that when that happens?
Posted
by: choirboyfromhell on Wednesday, 2 January 2008 at 9:32pm GMT
The
American right wing apocalyptic fundamentalists bankrolling this surprise party
in Jerusalem don't give a damn about the conflict there. As far as they are
concerned, the Palestinians are mere cursed sons of Ham. The Philo-Semitism is
all a mirage. The Jews are only fodder for an apocalyptic agenda; they will
either see the Light and come to Jesus, or be consumed away in the Great Tribulation.
The real problems of the real people who live in Jerusalem doesn't interest the
right-wing evangelicals in the least. No matter what happens in Jerusalem, they
will have their noses too far buried in Revelations and Daniel to notice. They
will only listen to people who will tell them what they want to hear; like
other fundamentalist Christians and right-wing Israeli settlers.
For
that reason, I predict that GAFCON will go ahead with the meeting and the
venue. What the natives think, what we think, still less what the other bishops
gathered in Lambeth think is of no concern to them.
Posted
by: counterlight on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 1:38am GMT
"I'm
still trying to understand how a twice-unfaithful multiple divorcee can be
taken as anything but the punchline to a very good joke as a Self-Proclaimed
Protector of Traditional Marriage(TM)."
Sooooooo
true.
Yet
it merely illustrates what ought alreday be self-evident: Our "Worthy
Opponents" have no sense of irony (let alone of consistency).
Has
anyone popped over to Stand Firm, T19, etc. to see whether they are now
gang-pillorying ++Middle East and +Jerusalem the way they did Dr. Poon+?
(Myself, I haven't the stomach.)
Posted
by: Viriato da Silva on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 2:39am GMT
Well,
either Sugden and company will have to back down and relocate, or the new
Communion starts from landing the aircraft.
Posted
by: Pluralist
on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 3:19am GMT
From
the Conger article: "However, public identification as a pro-Israel church
is a worrisome development for the small Arab Anglican community in the
Palestinian Authority territories, and could have baleful consequences its
leaders tell ReligiousIntelligence.com."
In other words, the self appointed thought police of the Anglican Communion
don't really give a rat's backside if Palestinian Anglicans become terrorist
targets. After all, a few dead Arab Christians is a small price to pay to rid
the Church of fags.
Posted
by: Malcolm+ on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 5:24am GMT
Cynthia
I
think your idea is brilliant. Each and every one of these holy men should go
into the wilderness.
Like
Jesus, they should cut themselves off from all human contact and be reliant
upon God and the angels for all food and sustenance. Nor do they need to meet
or communicate with any other soul - either within the communion nor on a
personal level. Also, since they are from God, they can all do it at the same time,
since God and the angels will keep their communion running whilst they are all
isolated and purifying themselves.
So
they don't need to pack any linen, shelter, food or water, because their
divinity will protect them from all consequence.
Or
maybe they aren't that pure after all? Maybe they are just opportunistic
idolators who think if they flatter Jesus and don't insult his mother then each
and every other manifestation on this planet is fair game.
Don't
see them in the desert without preparation or human support? Don't trust their
divinity or "solo scriputural authority" either.
Posted
by: Cheryl
Va. Clough on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 7:55am GMT
I
believe on a previous blog I incorrectly put these words into the mouth of the
Bishop of Egypt...sorry!
Surely
they should have checked with the bishop first....imagine Bishop Robinson
heading a Conference of the Liberal Pan Anglican Alliance in Sydney!
Posted
by: Robert Ian Williams on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 8:27am GMT
Letter
sent on 24/12... to +Jerusalem... in advance of a public statement on 26/12....
Am
I the only one thinking this was a deliberate fig-leaf exercise - what
(realistically) are the chances of a letter being prioritised on one of the great
Christian holy days, especially in that part of the world....hm??
Posted
by: mynsterpreost (=David Rowett) on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 9:57am GMT
Robert:
... or maybe Surrey?
Posted
by: Fr Mark on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 11:05am GMT
“...imagine
Bishop Robinson heading a Conference of the Liberal Pan Anglican Alliance in
Sydney!”—Robert Ian Williams
THAT
would be a REAL hoot, wouldn’t it!? They could begin each day of such a
Conference with a Solemn Eucharist, celebrants in miters and chasubles, setting
off smoke alarms with the incense!
Posted
by: Kurt on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 1:50pm GMT
Interesting
(and worrying) that Anglican Mainstream seems not to have noticed anything
other than the Jerusalem Post's delight in the prospect of a pro-Israel
Anglicanism.....
Posted
by: mynsterpreost (=David Rowett) on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 5:12pm GMT
"....imagine
Bishop Robinson heading a Conference of the Liberal Pan Anglican Alliance in
Sydney!"
Actually,
you may be onto something there... And I'm sure the many LGBT Sydneysiders
would welcome it far more than the Palestinian Anglicans will be welcoming the
anti-Palestinian Scaife/Ahmanson-financed regiments of New Improved and
Purified Anglicans "pilgrimaging" (or crusading?) into Zion.
Looking
forward to the day that there will be Episcopal/Anglican missions in the heart
of otherwise progressive-friendly (including LGBT-friendly) cities such as
Sydney (home of Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras) and Buenos Aires (B.A. has domestic
partnerships, y'know) and Durham and Pittsburgh - to be followed by missions to
Lagos and Ft. Worth and Kampala and Nassau (Bahamas) and Kingston.
Posted
by: Viriato da Silva on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 6:18pm GMT
The
reason that Martyn Minns is not invited to Lambeth 2008 is that he is cause of
division and it represents scandal. It seems to me that it is far worse
division and scandal that Akinola, Jensen, Minns and Sugden are causing, with
consequences for real lives. Though they are hardly going to go to Lambeth themselves
(and Sugden/ Minns can't) there should be a formal withdrawal of invitations to
these two.
Posted
by: Pluralist
on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 7:29pm GMT
When
Spong came to Sydney in 2007 there was a communications lock down and parishes
were directed not to invite him to talk to their parishioners.
Spong
did his thing here and around Australia, being more warmly welcomed in some
parts than other.
Counterlight's
posting is not that farfetched, God knows I sat through enough bible studies
and sermons to know such sentiments run strongly and are generally accepted
within some circles.
In
fact, I have several friends who refuse to associate with Anglicans anymore
because everytime they tried to put up someone as a good character to emulate,
there would be the collective discussion about whether or not they were
"saved" or "condemned".
As
the list of saintly people on the "condemned" grew too big, many
decided they would rather be with those saints anyway.
Posted
by: Cheryl
Va. Clough on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 7:42pm GMT
"A
letter was sent to Bishop Suheil Dawani on December 24, two days prior to the
press announcement."
Suggested
holiday mailing deadlines in Canada suggested that a letter destined for the
Middle East would need to be sent by October 12 (surface mail) or by December 3
(air mail) in order to reach Jerusalem prior to Christmas Day. Using premium
courier services, the deadline would have been later - December 19 or 20
depending on the service used.
Now,
these are the mailing deadlines from Canada. The timings would be similar for
letters mailed from the United States, the United Kingdom or Australia, all of
whom have world class postal operations. I hazard to guess at the mailing
deadlines from Abuja.
Therefore,
sending a letter internationally to Jerusalem, regardless of the postal product
used, mailing it on the 24th and expecting it to arrive on or before the 26th
would be . . . well, it wouldn't be particularly smart.
The
upshot of it all is that the decision to announce the conference within 48
hours of mailing the letter reflects a limited number of possibilities:
*
Every single person involved in organizing GafCon is completely incompetent.
*
No person involved in GafCon gives a rat's backside whether the Bishop in
Jerusalem likes it or not.
All
other possibilities are derivatives of these two.
I
will leave it to others to determine whether it is more charitable to attribute
the GafCon gang's behaviour to malice or to incompetence.
Posted
by: Malcolm+ on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 7:49pm GMT
"I
will leave it to others to determine whether it is more charitable to attribute
the GafCon gang's behaviour to malice or to incompetence."
Y'know,
those aren't mutually exclusive possibilities.
Posted
by: Viriato da Silva on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 8:34pm GMT
"I
will leave it to others to determine whether it is more charitable to attribute
the GafCon gang's behaviour to malice or to incompetence."
Any
reason I can't chalk it up to both?
Posted
by: Pat O'Neill on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 8:55pm GMT
Malcolm+,
I don't see why we have to choose between malice and incompetence.
The
GAFCON crew seem plentifully endowed with both.
Posted
by: badman on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 8:58pm GMT
V
da S said:
Looking forward to the day that there will be Episcopal/Anglican missions in the heart of otherwise progressive-friendly (including LGBT-friendly) cities such as ...Durham.
Looking forward to the day that there will be Episcopal/Anglican missions in the heart of otherwise progressive-friendly (including LGBT-friendly) cities such as ...Durham.
Indeed!
My memories of the diocese are that there was no shortage of clergy who would
greet an LGBT friendly mission with glee....
Posted
by: mynsterpreost (=David Rowett) on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 9:26pm GMT
The
Sydney Morning Herald reports
"Dr Jensen, the main Western leader of the conservative evangelical strand, said he hoped to meet Bishop Dawani in Jerusalem next week. The other main conservative Anglican leader, the Nigerian Archbishop Peter Akinola, will be there, too."
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/antigay-bishops-on-crusade-to-jerusalem/2008/01/03/1198949986488.html
"Dr Jensen, the main Western leader of the conservative evangelical strand, said he hoped to meet Bishop Dawani in Jerusalem next week. The other main conservative Anglican leader, the Nigerian Archbishop Peter Akinola, will be there, too."
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/antigay-bishops-on-crusade-to-jerusalem/2008/01/03/1198949986488.html
Posted
by: obadiahslope on Thursday, 3 January 2008 at 10:07pm GMT
It
appears that +Jensen and +Akinola are flying to Jerusalem to make Bishop Dawani
an offer he can't refuse.
Capish?
Posted
by: counterlight on Friday, 4 January 2008 at 2:54am GMT
As
opposed to the offers that currently come from 815?
Posted
by: Peter O
on Friday, 4 January 2008 at 9:19am GMT
"As
opposed to the offers that currently come from 815?"
Which
would be what, precisely? That TEC will act in ways in which it genuinely
believes it is called to act while accepting that other churches will act
according to THEIR calling as they see it? That TEC will not intervene in other
churches? That TEC will not insist that everybody else do what TEC says? What,
exactly, are the "offers" TEC is making that no-one else can refuse?
What is TEC demanding from everybody else? That they accept that gay people
deserve respect? TEC hasn't even asked the Global South to tone down the
rhetoric about us being worse than animals, or a cancer on the Body of Christ,
she hasn't even told Akinola he ought not to support jailing us. So what's the
issue here?
Posted
by: Ford Elms on Friday, 4 January 2008 at 3:19pm GMT
There's
been a lot of rubbish published on this post. Letters take up to two days to
arrive and I received post here on December 25th.
Jews
are not responsible for Christians leaving, despite the best efforts of your
bloggers to state the opposite.
Israel
is no more volatile than was Manchester, where members of the Jewish community
were commonly beaten up in broad daylight by people purporting to be anti
Israel.
Blogs
like this do nothing for peace in the region and a great deal for war.
Posted
by: Dr.
Irene Lancaster on Tuesday, 22 January 2008 at 12:37pm GMT
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